Member Iron_Leopard Posted December 16, 2017 Member Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) On 12/13/2017 at 6:22 PM, De Ming Li said: Oh well, I'm actually not surprised by this at all. Men in positions of power have, in regards to women, invariably abused those powers. Not all of of course, likely not most but probably a large percentage. It's perhaps unavoidably human. I was never ever naive enough to believe that Bey was a perfect person, I like him for his vast knowledge on Chinese cinema and I bought films on physical media for his commentary, nothing more or less. So, in spite of these allegations now coming out, I still respect him 100% for immersing himself in the Hong Kong film industry and educating viewers on so many little factoids of the genre. In practical terms, I hope these allegations will not deter companies from collaborating with him on future audio commentaries. Edit: Bey likely had a fetish for East Asian women, and thought he could take advantage of them whenever wherever, in true "sexpat" manner. This makes me think back to his commentary on "Police Story" I think it was when he said something along the lines of "I can't imagine being a teacher with a 17 year old Bridgette Lin in my class." Yeah he loved him some Asian women. Edited December 16, 2017 by Iron_Leopard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sheng Posted December 17, 2017 Member Share Posted December 17, 2017 On 12/17/2017 at 4:45 AM, Silver and Gold Dragon said: This is disappointing, I did hold him in high regard. I've been listening to his commentaries since I was 13. I corresponded with him through email and facebook. I'd consider his commentaries the best source of info on HK cinema I came across before joining this forum and his enthusiasm was influential. Now all that's been tarnished somewhat by his behaviour and his behaviour will be what's in the back of my mind when I think of him. Another thing is I'll have to think twice before referencing the name 'Bey Logan' due to it's association and how it might be interpreted. Whaddya mean, gotta think twice before referencing "Bey Logan"... ?? I just don't get it. Are y'all being serious? In all honesty, does all this devalue Logan's decades-long work and devotion for HK and Asian Cinema ? Does it tarnish his great audio commentaries or make them unlistenable? Is his "HK Action Cinema" book - a landmark study at its time - now to be considered a lesser work, as well as all his other witty, well informed and endlessly entertaining writings on Hong Kong cinema ? Be for real, for Chrissakes !! I know, arguing along these lines usually invites reflexive accusations to make excuses for the inexcusable (in this case for grave sexual misconduct, should the charges stick) . Rest assured, I ain't. But then again, I also did not stop thinking that James Brown was one of the most inspiring, innovative, game-changing artists of the 20th Century when the rather unpalatable (or ouright obnoxious) , wife-beating, band-bullying side of his character was exposed. Not did I trash any of my 40-plus JB albums. I mean, come on, guys !! Can we please be mature enough to seperate between a man and a man's work. Or in Logan's case, his invaluable contributions to HK cinema culture. And @Mike Leeder: I do understand y'all had a fall-out quite some ago, but you serious: this is why you ended his dealings with him ?? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Mike Leeder Posted December 17, 2017 Member Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) Yes @Sheng the final straw with regards to ending dealings was the fact he went from being a snidey cocky hustler to proclaiming himself as all knowing, taking the credit for anything anyone did (even when he had nothing to do with it) and yeah he became an increasingly abusive manipulator with delusions of grandeur, who then began to abuse women mentally verbally and worse, i think there'll be more people stepping forward with even worse things to report, this is the tip of the iceberg , so yes "thats why i ended my dealings with him' a long time ago he used his position hmmm his perceived position in the industry to take advantage of people, and when someone uses the "i have lots of girlfriends who love me too much' and the ultimately disturbing "its not what I did, more what i tried to do' while trying to big himself up in whats supposedly an apology yeah its an issue And yes i understand the backlash as a lot of people believed his 'self promoted image' as the face of HK cinema, he as great at putting on a face and telling people what they wanted to hear, when i first knew him i thought ok cocky little shit but he's helping promote HK film etc, but that changed and he began to think of himself as the focus and began to change in the worst ways..and unfortunately as you mention with James Brown etc, peoples actions do taint their achievements..i'm not telling people to burn their HK Legends or Dragon Dynasty discs etc, but yeah it does make it hard to look at them in the same way especially right now Edited December 17, 2017 by Mike Leeder clarity 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Omni Dragon Posted December 17, 2017 Member Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sheng said: Whaddya mean, gotta think twice before referencing "Bey Logan"... ?? I just don't get it. Are y'all being serious? In all honesty, does all this devalue Logan's decades-long work and devotion for HK and Asian Cinema ? Does it tarnish his great audio commentaries or make them unlistenable? Is his "HK Action Cinema" book - a landmark study at its time - now to be considered a lesser work, as well as all his other witty, well informed and endlessly entertaining writings on Hong Kong cinema ? Be for real, for Chrissakes !! I know, arguing along these lines usually invites reflexive accusations to make excuses for the inexcusable (in this case for grave sexual misconduct, should the charges stick) . Rest assured, I ain't. But then again, I also did not stop thinking that James Brown was one of the most inspiring, innovative, game-changing artists of the 20th Century when the rather unpalatable (or ouright obnoxious) , wife-beating, band-bullying side of his character was exposed. Not did I trash any of my 40-plus JB albums. I mean, come on, guys !! Can we please be mature enough to seperate between a man and a man's work. Or in Logan's case, his invaluable contributions to HK cinema culture. And @ Mike Leeder: I do understand y'all had a fall-out quite some ago, but you serious: this is why you ended his dealings with him ?? Your post has made me reflect on what I said. Perhaps I did overreacted out of disappointment but at the moment his behaviour will be an association with him. So would it make me immature if I say; since the man is the source of his works he has some association and link to his work? Just a side note I will continue to listen to his commentaries. Edited December 17, 2017 by Silver and Gold Dragon Perhaps with more time to reflect on the matter, I'll put things into perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Takuma Posted December 17, 2017 Member Share Posted December 17, 2017 I can understand both views... Mike and other people in HK had to endure Bey's behaviour in real life, while most of us only consumed (and judged him by) his work, audio commentaries that is. I guess most of us are in a "lucky" position since our experience with Bey is limited to his commentaries, which I think are undeniably good, and that makes it easier to separate the products from the man who made them. While I will continue to appreciate the products, and generally believe that art should be distinguished from its maker, I can fully understand that not everyone will feel the same. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Omni Dragon Posted December 17, 2017 Member Share Posted December 17, 2017 Bey's commentaries have always been more about the information than Bey Logan himself for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted December 17, 2017 Member Share Posted December 17, 2017 There's no excuse for behaving like Bey Logan has done. I've had no personal experience of working/meeting with the man at all. I got no indication of the real Bey Logan through his public image. That said, he was big part of me getting into the genre. Mainly because he edited IMPACT magazine at the time. Then came the Audio Commentaries, when DVD was really taking off. Not to mention his involvement with many online fan forums, documentaries and other Martial Arts media. The man taught me a lot about Asian cinema, more than I can recall at this moment. It's sad to see this happen, but if he's guilty he deserves all the bad media backlash etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Killer Meteor Posted December 17, 2017 Member Share Posted December 17, 2017 Somewhere, Running Man is smiling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sheng Posted December 17, 2017 Member Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, Mike Leeder said: Yes @Sheng the final straw with regards to ending dealings was the fact he went from being a snidey cocky hustler to proclaiming himself as all knowing, taking the credit for anything anyone did (even when he had nothing to do with it) and yeah he became an increasingly abusive manipulator with delusions of grandeur, who then began to abuse women mentally verbally and worse, i think there'll be more people stepping forward with even worse things to report, this is the tip of the iceberg , so yes "thats why i ended my dealings with him' a long time ago he used his position hmmm his perceived position in the industry to take advantage of people, and when someone uses the "i have lots of girlfriends who love me too much' and the ultimately disturbing "its not what I did, more what i tried to do' while trying to big himself up in whats supposedly an apology yeah its an issue And yes i understand the backlash as a lot of people believed his 'self promoted image' as the face of HK cinema, he as great at putting on a face and telling people what they wanted to hear, when i first knew him i thought ok cocky little shit but he's helping promote HK film etc, but that changed and he began to think of himself as the focus and began to change in the worst ways..and unfortunately as you mention with James Brown etc, peoples actions do taint their achievements..i'm not telling people to burn their HK Legends or Dragon Dynasty discs etc, but yeah it does make it hard to look at them in the same way especially right now. Mike, first off, I think you misunderstood my analogy here - I said that I do not think that JB's abusive behaviour tainted his outrageously brilliant body of work at all. Nor his reputation as one of the greatest, most influential artists of the last Century and possibbly the best stage performer of all times. Furthermore I beg to differ with you when it comes to Logan promoting himself as the "face of HK cinema". I understand that your experience is a decidedly different one, but having met the man a number of times I never thought he came across as "proclaiming himself as all-knowing". Far from it. Talking to him at length simply confirms what his commentaries suggest, namely that he is extremely passionate and knowledgeable about HK cinema (well, HK action cinema that is; its hard to discuss the merits of, say, the latest Pang Ho Cheung joint with him). And in this respect it certainly helps that he's a bonafide communicator and, well, maybe also good at telling people what they want to hear, like you infer. But like it or not, fact is that his writings on HK cinema as well as his usually well researched, insightful and entertaining audio-commentaries did strike a chord with many HK movie buffs. You're certainly not gonna tell me that the likes of Stefan Hammond or, er... "kung-fu experts" like Russ Meyer did a better job, not even equally well informed people like Toby Russell (who I remember as being tedious to listen to). Logan definitely reached more HK cinema fanboys than anyone else, at least all the not-too academically inclined, who found it too taxing to delve into Stephen Teo's works and who'd never agree with me that David Bordwell's "Planet Hong Kong" is by far the best study of classic HK cinema ever published (well, on that matter Logan would also never agree, but that's a different rap). "Cocky little shit" or not, in his field Logan was indeed a stand-out and he did do a lot for promoting HK films to non-Chinese speaking audiences and raising many people's awareness of them. Can't fuck with that. Edited December 17, 2017 by Sheng 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Omni Dragon Posted December 18, 2017 Member Share Posted December 18, 2017 I still think Bey's works have some of the best information on HK cinema. Unfortunately his behaviour will be an association with him now especially at the moment. I said 'I'll have to think twice before referencing' him because depending on the context it might be interpreted as potentially being inclined to supporting negative aspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Drunken Monk Posted December 18, 2017 Member Share Posted December 18, 2017 I don't think we can dictate feelings on this matter. Saying "Not enjoying his work is ridiculous!" or "We must boycott him!" is too objective. We have to allow people to react in whatever way they deem fit. If some people can't detach Bey from his art then so be it. There's nothing wrong with that. That's their choice on the matter. People can condemn rapists and such however they like. And if others can deal with Bey's actions and still appreciate his "art", that's fine too. Mike Tyson is a convicted rapist and yet we all watched "Ip Man 3". Again, our reactions are our own. We can't really judge others for how they feel in this type of situation. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Kwai Posted December 22, 2017 Member Share Posted December 22, 2017 Seems like Donnie Yen's sister doesn't like Bey at all: https://www.facebook.com/chrisyen.asia/ Wonder what Donnie himself has to say about his old pal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Member laagi Posted December 29, 2017 Member Share Posted December 29, 2017 With daily news spreading like wildfire I have honestly a hard time to keep up with all of it. At the same time, I'm also getting sick and tired of hearing all this! Yes, if the allegations against those individuals are true, they are without a doubt condemnable. But to me at least it seems we're going towards putting every man under general suspicion. I see it in our place here... They're starting to put out fliers in parliament what's considered offensive or appropriate, I mean like goddamn! And I know while I might draw a lot of negative response for this, I can't shake of the feeling that somehow, it's really cool to get on the "sexual harassment" bandwagon right now. Especially for some of those so-called celebrities. What about all those women that get treated like a piece of meat on the streets of southeast asia (I've seen my fair share of it), where was their voice when they needed it! It's somehow a perfect example of how our society is working nowadays. Again, I condemn these actions... period. But this just gotten out of hands! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted December 30, 2017 Member Share Posted December 30, 2017 20 hours ago, laagi said: With daily news spreading like wildfire I have honestly a hard time to keep up with all of it. At the same time, I'm also getting sick and tired of hearing all this! Yes, if the allegations against those individuals are true, they are without a doubt condemnable. But to me at least it seems we're going towards putting every man under general suspicion. I see it in our place here... They're starting to put out fliers in parliament what's considered offensive or appropriate, I mean like goddamn! And I know while I might draw a lot of negative response for this, I can't shake of the feeling that somehow, it's really cool to get on the "sexual harassment" bandwagon right now. Especially for some of those so-called celebrities. What about all those women that get treated like a piece of meat on the streets of southeast asia (I've seen my fair share of it), where was their voice when they needed it! It's somehow a perfect example of how our society is working nowadays. Again, I condemn these actions... period. But this just gotten out of hands! Interesting comments there, you always get those that jump on the media band wagon, wether their stories are legit or not. If you listen to actor Terry Crews story, it'snot just women who can be effected by this either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member laagi Posted December 30, 2017 Member Share Posted December 30, 2017 4 hours ago, DragonClaws said: Interesting comments there, you always get those that jump on the media band wagon, wether their stories are legit or not. If you listen to actor Terry Crews story, it'snot just women who can be effected by this either. Your comment also reminded me of all the child actors accusations (e.g. Corey Feldman). I think a lot of people just can't handle power. They somehow think it gives them a special status (above the law). Add a lot of money to it and you got yourself a poisonous cocktail. And by power I mean not just some hollywood big shot. It happens everywhere. I'm just afraid of the negative spin-off this entire "scandal" is causing. You know how people can get lost in a heated debate. Guess we'll have to see to what extent all of this will eventually lead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted December 30, 2017 Member Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, laagi said: Your comment also reminded me of all the child actors accusations (e.g. Corey Feldman). Really feel for that guy, and he appeared to be getting somewhere with breaking the silence at one point. The media quickly runs to what ever the latest hot topic is, and they quickly forget that its men and women of all ages, who have suffered in the entertainment industry. Not to forget all those other poor people, who lives have been effect by such things. 4 minutes ago, laagi said: I think a lot of people just can't handle power. I think for some people power certainly does corrupt them. Some celebritys, actors, singers or whomever, have power through their huge followings, and some will abuse this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sheng Posted January 1, 2018 Member Share Posted January 1, 2018 On 29.12.2017 at 12:47 PM, DragonClaws said: Dunno who thinks this is funny. Malicious glee of the most pathetic kind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member JackieChanFan Posted February 12, 2018 Member Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) “we all knew Harvey was a skirt-chaser. If Harvey looked like George Clooney, would we all be quite so horrified? I wonder.” - Bey Logan. Christ that's some statement. On 12/30/2017 at 4:46 PM, laagi said: Your comment also reminded me of all the child actors accusations (e.g. Corey Feldman). On 12/30/2017 at 4:55 PM, DragonClaws said: Really feel for that guy, and he appeared to be getting somewhere with breaking the silence at one point. Quick aside. I have an acquaintance that knows Corey Feldman pretty well. Corey is supposedly a really nice guy, but obviously really messed up. Edited February 14, 2018 by JackieChanFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted February 13, 2018 Member Share Posted February 13, 2018 23 hours ago, JackieChanFan said: Quick aside. I have an acquaintance that knows Corey Feldman pretty well. Thats really cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DrNgor Posted July 9, 2018 Member Share Posted July 9, 2018 So was there any more development in the Bey Logan after the initial accusations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted July 9, 2018 Member Share Posted July 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, DrNgor said: So was there any more development in the Bey Logan after the initial accusations? Last thing I heard about him, was when somebody posted in the Modern MA forum, about a production he was working on. Though knowone's posted any up-dates on it since? that I know of. It appears he might have slipped under the radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted September 4, 2018 Member Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) On 7/9/2018 at 1:49 PM, DrNgor said: So was there any more development in the Bey Logan after the initial accusations? I'm guessing they've been dropped, as this book appears to be making it's way to publication. Source, Film Combat Syndicate, Link- https://filmcombatsyndicate.com/36-chambers-book-on-sale/ Edited September 4, 2018 by DragonClaws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member saltysam Posted September 5, 2018 Member Share Posted September 5, 2018 Coincidentally Bey sent a request today to join my Facebook group Bruce Lee's The Big Boss Appreciation Society 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted September 5, 2018 Member Share Posted September 5, 2018 38 minutes ago, saltysam said: Coincidentally Bey sent a request today to join my Facebook group Bruce Lee's The Big Boss Appreciation Society I didnt know you had FB group dude, could you post a link?. I don't understand how the whole sexual harrassment case, just went quite overnight, as if it never happened?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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